I know Donn, I'm trying to get a 3500 right now, I'm just trying to see how much i can get for my 2500. It's BRAND new w/ 4k miles. I've been looking at the XLR's toyhauler and there GVWR is 18k, I'll be around 15,500 or 16k fully loaded. I hope a 3500 dually is enough...